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PIP assessment reports show widespread dishonesty by Nurses

Post by Tobias » Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:57 am

PIP INVESTIGATION: Assessment reports show widespread dishonesty by nurses

Healthcare professionals who carry out face-to-face assessments of benefit claimants have lied, ignored written evidence and dishonestly reported the results of physical examinations, according to a two-month Disability News Service (DNS) investigation.
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Post by Tobias » Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:08 am

The sooner this article hits the mainstream media the better!
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Post by jeff3 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:40 am

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Post by jeff3 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:29 am

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Post by jeff3 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:26 pm

FIRST NEW PROTECTION
Many people on PIP are told by DWP that they must have another face-to-face assessment before their existing PIP award has finished. Sometimes this happens up to a year before the finish date of their existing award. Up until now, DWP have treated this second face-to-face assessment as giving them complete freedom to change or end an award based purely on the opinions of the latest assessor. The DWP and the assessor does not look at why the original award was made in the first place or say what has changed since the first award.
The Upper Tribunal has now said that this is illegal. The UT accepted that Regulation 26 (of the Decisions and Appeals Regulations 2013) allows the DWP to supersede or change an existing award of PIP based on the medical evidence from an assessor. But the UT said that the DWP could only do this after considering all the relevant evidence including the previous award and why it was made. The UT was clear that the DWP cannot legally change or remove a PIP award on a snapshot assessment which doesn’t look back at the previous award as well. The Upper Tribunal then went further and said that the DWP must also give an adequate explanation of why an existing award has been reduced or stopped referring back to the previous award.
SECOND NEW PROTECTION
In Regulation 11 of the PIP Regulations 2013, DWP gave themselves the power ‘at any time and for any reason’ to review all PIP awards, including those granted by Tribunals and to ‘determine’ or decide whether the award should continue. This power has been used by DWP to arbitrarily change and stop PIP awards, usually by requiring a new face-to-face assessment but sometimes just on their own sayso.
The Upper Tribunal has now said that DWP does not have this power. The UT accepts that the DWP has the power to determine or decide that in theory an award should reduce or stop, but they say that actually stopping the award has to be done under other legal powers set out in the separate Supersession and Appeal Regulations. What that means is that DWP have to follow the same procedure as they do for reviews after a new assessment (First New Protection, above). They have to consider all the relevant evidence including the previous award and why it was made, and also give an adequate explanation of why an existing award has been reduced or stopped referring back to the previous award.
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU
What this means for you is that, when your PIP award is reviewed or changed for any reason, the DWP must look back at why they made the award in the first place and look at the evidence they used to make that award, including perhaps a more favourable assessment report or Tribunal decision. If they do decide to reduce or remove your award, then they must say why they have done this given the evidence that you used to be entitled to an award. And of course you can appeal any decision if the DWP does not do any of this.
This analysis is brought to you free of charge by BuDS Benefit Information Team. It is only general information and you should take advice on your own case.

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Post by highlyflammable » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:05 pm

jeff3 wrote:FIRST NEW PROTECTION
Many people on PIP are told by DWP that they must have another face-to-face assessment before their existing PIP award has finished. Sometimes this happens up to a year before the finish date of their existing award. Up until now, DWP have treated this second face-to-face assessment as giving them complete freedom to change or end an award based purely on the opinions of the latest assessor. The DWP and the assessor does not look at why the original award was made in the first place or say what has changed since the first award.
The Upper Tribunal has now said that this is illegal. The UT accepted that Regulation 26 (of the Decisions and Appeals Regulations 2013) allows the DWP to supersede or change an existing award of PIP based on the medical evidence from an assessor. But the UT said that the DWP could only do this after considering all the relevant evidence including the previous award and why it was made. The UT was clear that the DWP cannot legally change or remove a PIP award on a snapshot assessment which doesn’t look back at the previous award as well. The Upper Tribunal then went further and said that the DWP must also give an adequate explanation of why an existing award has been reduced or stopped referring back to the previous award.
SECOND NEW PROTECTION
In Regulation 11 of the PIP Regulations 2013, DWP gave themselves the power ‘at any time and for any reason’ to review all PIP awards, including those granted by Tribunals and to ‘determine’ or decide whether the award should continue. This power has been used by DWP to arbitrarily change and stop PIP awards, usually by requiring a new face-to-face assessment but sometimes just on their own sayso.
The Upper Tribunal has now said that DWP does not have this power. The UT accepts that the DWP has the power to determine or decide that in theory an award should reduce or stop, but they say that actually stopping the award has to be done under other legal powers set out in the separate Supersession and Appeal Regulations. What that means is that DWP have to follow the same procedure as they do for reviews after a new assessment (First New Protection, above). They have to consider all the relevant evidence including the previous award and why it was made, and also give an adequate explanation of why an existing award has been reduced or stopped referring back to the previous award.
WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU
What this means for you is that, when your PIP award is reviewed or changed for any reason, the DWP must look back at why they made the award in the first place and look at the evidence they used to make that award, including perhaps a more favourable assessment report or Tribunal decision. If they do decide to reduce or remove your award, then they must say why they have done this given the evidence that you used to be entitled to an award. And of course you can appeal any decision if the DWP does not do any of this.
This analysis is brought to you free of charge by BuDS Benefit Information Team. It is only general information and you should take advice on your own case.
Very interesting !! Where've you had that from Jeff ?
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Post by jeff3 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:07 pm

hello hf i sent it straight to d has she was one of the first ones to chased by them on pip yes she said if this other pewrson hadnt done it she would have but it was the time she was realy bad were i had it bugger id forgoten but its got to be one of our sites we visite

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Post by Tobias » Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:47 pm

It sort of carried to the express then got removed.
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Post by SmokeyBandit » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:26 am

Tobias wrote:It sort of carried to the express then got removed.
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Post by jeff3 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:56 am

Tobias wrote:It sort of carried to the express then got removed.

oh dear t the nazi party burned it

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Re: PIP assessment reports show widespread dishonesty by Nur

Post by Jim Cook » Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:23 am

I recently had an assessment and one of the questions I was asked was "Do I have any qualifications"
Can any one tell me what's that all about.

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Post by jeff3 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:55 am

sorry Jim c your questions gone unnoticed by all. but you asked about their question of qualification they fish to c whot it brings forth if you had said you was a office worker has such it would have stated you could infect go back to work or such has we now these very highly trained hcp are only assassins to annihilate your benefits

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Post by theporcelaindoll » Wed Mar 06, 2019 11:20 pm

I had a PIP Assessment by a paramedic, she lied about me. it's not just nurses.

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Post by tillyboo » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:52 am

Thats odd, I had my assessment for pip review yesterday at home & the first question asked was " when did I last work & what did I do". I was never asked this at original pip assessment. My original assessment for pip I had at home & it took 40 mins, this review started at 9.45am & finished at 11.35am. I was almost sick had to have a bowl, but the questions were being fired constantly, one of my conditions us going deaf overnight, so I have to lip read mostly. So all that time & me asking to repeat herself as she wasnt looking at me as left me exhausted. .i did say my hearing loss is a rare condition, to which the reply was, she had seen it before & it made it hard for her to do the assessment. I did want to reply & say, imagine what its like for us, the poor souls going through it!

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